Comments for Covering and Authority http://coveringandauthority.com Sun, 04 Dec 2011 04:19:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 Comment on What is Biblical Submission? by Rick J http://coveringandauthority.com/covering-and-apostolic-authority/difficult-questions-about-covering-and-authority/biblical-submission/comment-page-1/#comment-14543 Rick J Sun, 04 Dec 2011 04:19:14 +0000 http://organicchurch.ca/?page_id=7#comment-14543 I think with respect to submission it is critical to remember that there are different spheres of authority, and we need to think about what, exactly, is included within the realm of church leaders. That is, whether or not I am allowed to serve in a certain area of the church is something I should submit to with being contentious - that is under the church leadership's discretion, and they are given authority to rule over such things. However, I am the priest of my relationship with God in certain areas. If a pastor says 'marry this person' or 'take this job' I certainly am not being rebellious if I say 'no' - because none of these things are under the sphere of pastoral authority. As a priest individual believers are accountable for these kinds of decisions, and in such matters it is actually the church authority that would need to submit to the individual's authority as priest - that is, a leader could certainly share or 'submit' their thoughts in these areas to the believer, and yet have to acknowledge the individual believers ultimate authority... in the same way a congregation member may suggest an opinion on who would make a good youth leader but would have to leave this in the hands of the leadership. What I haven't seen commonly taught is that all the parties in the body need to acknowledge authority and honor the authority given to each one... it doesn't just go one way. peace to all I think with respect to submission it is critical to remember that there are different spheres of authority, and we need to think about what, exactly, is included within the realm of church leaders.

That is, whether or not I am allowed to serve in a certain area of the church is something I should submit to with being contentious – that is under the church leadership’s discretion, and they are given authority to rule over such things.

However, I am the priest of my relationship with God in certain areas. If a pastor says ‘marry this person’ or ‘take this job’ I certainly am not being rebellious if I say ‘no’ – because none of these things are under the sphere of pastoral authority. As a priest individual believers are accountable for these kinds of decisions, and in such matters it is actually the church authority that would need to submit to the individual’s authority as priest – that is, a leader could certainly share or ‘submit’ their thoughts in these areas to the believer, and yet have to acknowledge the individual believers ultimate authority… in the same way a congregation member may suggest an opinion on who would make a good youth leader but would have to leave this in the hands of the leadership.

What I haven’t seen commonly taught is that all the parties in the body need to acknowledge authority and honor the authority given to each one… it doesn’t just go one way.

peace to all

]]> Comment on Heb 13:17 by Bertie Boy http://coveringandauthority.com/covering-and-apostolic-authority/scriptures-used-in-covering-theology/heb-1317-obey-your-leaders-and-submit-to-them/comment-page-1/#comment-14457 Bertie Boy Wed, 30 Nov 2011 01:50:15 +0000 http://organicchurch.ca/?page_id=12#comment-14457 I was specifically looking up commentary on Heb 13:17. Your commentary was quite helpful, but seemed to lack appreciation to the period and context in which it (and v. 7; and 1Thes 5:12-13) were written. There was no New Testemant text at that time, and certainly not the compilation we have today. This message would apply to those leaders specifically known by the author(s) and would not universally apply to all leaders in the church for all times, as there were many gnostic, and other perverse teachings. Yeilding to the will of God through Jesus Christ is the most important yeilding one should consider. This yeilding to Christ brings with it the Holy Ghost of whom John said, "But ythe annointing which ye have recieved of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same annointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him." 1John 2:27 Paul agreed with this and wrote to the Corinthians, "But as it is written {Isiah 64:4}, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared tor them that love him. But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Which things also we speak not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them because they are spiritually descerned. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, ye he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord , that he may in struct him? But we have the mind of Christ." 1Cor 2:9-16 I was specifically looking up commentary on Heb 13:17. Your commentary was quite helpful, but seemed to lack appreciation to the period and context in which it (and v. 7; and 1Thes 5:12-13) were written. There was no New Testemant text at that time, and certainly not the compilation we have today. This message would apply to those leaders specifically known by the author(s) and would not universally apply to all leaders in the church for all times, as there were many gnostic, and other perverse teachings.
Yeilding to the will of God through Jesus Christ is the most important yeilding one should consider. This yeilding to Christ brings with it the Holy Ghost of whom John said, “But ythe annointing which ye have recieved of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same annointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.” 1John 2:27
Paul agreed with this and wrote to the Corinthians, “But as it is written {Isiah 64:4}, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared tor them that love him. But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Which things also we speak not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them because they are spiritually descerned. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, ye he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord , that he may in struct him? But we have the mind of Christ.” 1Cor 2:9-16

]]> Comment on Romans 13: 1-7 by Jason http://coveringandauthority.com/covering-and-apostolic-authority/scriptures-used-in-covering-theology/romans-13-1-7/comment-page-1/#comment-14337 Jason Fri, 25 Nov 2011 08:26:55 +0000 http://organicchurch.ca/?page_id=10#comment-14337 Thanks, I think The church (you and I) need to be set free from this wicked doctrine of human covering, God alone is our covering! All I can see that this doctrine leads to is control, manipulation, bondage & most seriously - aborted spiritual growth as these leaders don't believe that we can hear from God for ourselves, but have to submit everything through them to judge if it is from God or not. A 2 year old that has the truth has more authority than a Pastor of 10000 who preaches rubbish. I believe that truth holds real authority and lying church leaders we do not have to submit to and Paul would have told us to leave and have nothing to do with them anyway. No i do not have a issue with government authority, but pray for the wicked ones to get saved or God to put the right person there (Hosea 8). God wanted Samuel to rule but the people (not God) wanted a king like the other nations. The authority is put there by God, but the person in place is not always put there by God. Hope this helped, God Bless! Thanks, I think The church (you and I) need to be set free from this wicked doctrine of human covering, God alone is our covering! All I can see that this doctrine leads to is control, manipulation, bondage & most seriously – aborted spiritual growth as these leaders don’t believe that we can hear from God for ourselves, but have to submit everything through them to judge if it is from God or not. A 2 year old that has the truth has more authority than a Pastor of 10000 who preaches rubbish. I believe that truth holds real authority and lying church leaders we do not have to submit to and Paul would have told us to leave and have nothing to do with them anyway.

No i do not have a issue with government authority, but pray for the wicked ones to get saved or God to put the right person there (Hosea 8). God wanted Samuel to rule but the people (not God) wanted a king like the other nations. The authority is put there by God, but the person in place is not always put there by God.

Hope this helped, God Bless!

]]> Comment on Heb 13:17 by John H http://coveringandauthority.com/covering-and-apostolic-authority/scriptures-used-in-covering-theology/heb-1317-obey-your-leaders-and-submit-to-them/comment-page-1/#comment-13977 John H Fri, 04 Nov 2011 16:08:51 +0000 http://organicchurch.ca/?page_id=12#comment-13977 Pretty good article. "... the person doing the obeying still has the right and the obligation to be discerning." Absolutely! Pretty good article.
“… the person doing the obeying still has the right and the obligation to be discerning.”
Absolutely!

]]> Comment on Is submission to church leaders necessary for spiritual protection? by John H http://coveringandauthority.com/covering-and-apostolic-authority/difficult-questions-about-covering-and-authority/does-being-submitted-to-church-leaders-provide-me-with-spiritual-protection/comment-page-1/#comment-13953 John H Thu, 03 Nov 2011 02:28:21 +0000 http://coveringandauthority.com/?page_id=88#comment-13953 I think Hebrews 13:17 could be better rendered: "Have confidence in those who lead you ..." than KJV's "Obey [3982 peitho] them that have the rule over [2233 hegeomai] you ..." This frees the Christian up from being "lorded over" (1 Peter 5:1-3) and helps them take the personal responsibility of refusing to follow leaders who lead them astray. If leaders are not leading you according to the rightly divided Word of truth then you shouldn't have confidence in them and shouldn't allow them to lead you. 3982 pei,qw peitho {pi'-tho} • a primary verb; TDNT - 6:1,818; v • AV - persuade 22, trust 8, obey 7, have confidence 6, believe 3, be confident 2, misc 7; 55 • 1) persuade 1a) to persuade, i.e. to induce one by words to believe 1b) to make friends of, to win one's favour, gain one's good will, or to seek to win one, strive to please one 1c) to tranquillise 1d) to persuade unto i.e. move or induce one to persuasion to do something 2) be persuaded 2a) to be persuaded, to suffer one's self to be persuaded; to be induced to believe: to have faith: in a thing 2a1) to believe 2a2) to be persuaded of a thing concerning a person 2b) to listen to, obey, yield to, comply with 3) to trust, have confidence, be confident 2233 h`ge,omai hegeomai {hayg-eh'-om-ahee} • middle voice of a (presumed) strengthened form of 71;TDNT - 2:907,303; v • AV - count 10, think 4, esteem 3, have rule over 3, be governor 2, misc 6; 28 • 1) to lead 1a) to go before 1b) to be a leader 1b1) to rule, command 1b2) to have authority over 1b3) a prince, of regal power, governor, viceroy, chief, leading as respects influence, controlling in counsel, overseers or leaders of the churches 1b4) used of any kind of leader, chief, commander 1b5) the leader in speech, chief, spokesman 2) to consider, deem, account, think I think Hebrews 13:17 could be better rendered: “Have confidence in those who lead you …” than KJV’s “Obey [3982 peitho] them that have the rule over [2233 hegeomai] you …”

This frees the Christian up from being “lorded over” (1 Peter 5:1-3) and helps them take the personal responsibility of refusing to follow leaders who lead them astray. If leaders are not leading you according to the rightly divided Word of truth then you shouldn’t have confidence in them and shouldn’t allow them to lead you.

3982 pei,qw peitho {pi’-tho} • a primary verb; TDNT – 6:1,818; v • AV – persuade 22, trust 8, obey 7, have confidence 6, believe 3, be confident 2, misc 7; 55 • 1) persuade 1a) to persuade, i.e. to induce one by words to believe 1b) to make friends of, to win one’s favour, gain one’s good will, or to seek to win one, strive to please one 1c) to tranquillise 1d) to persuade unto i.e. move or induce one to persuasion to do something 2) be persuaded 2a) to be persuaded, to suffer one’s self to be persuaded; to be induced to believe: to have faith: in a thing 2a1) to believe 2a2) to be persuaded of a thing concerning a person 2b) to listen to, obey,
yield to, comply with 3) to trust, have confidence, be confident
2233 h`ge,omai hegeomai {hayg-eh’-om-ahee} • middle voice of a (presumed) strengthened form of 71;TDNT
- 2:907,303; v • AV – count 10, think 4, esteem 3, have rule over 3, be governor 2, misc 6; 28 • 1) to lead 1a) to go before 1b) to be a leader 1b1) to rule, command 1b2) to have authority over 1b3) a prince, of regal power, governor, viceroy, chief, leading as respects influence, controlling in counsel, overseers or leaders of the churches 1b4) used of any kind of leader, chief, commander 1b5) the leader in speech, chief, spokesman 2) to consider, deem, account, think

]]> Comment on Mat 20:20-28 by LT http://coveringandauthority.com/covering-and-apostolic-authority/scriptures-downplayed-or-ignored-in-covering-theology/mat-2020-28/comment-page-1/#comment-13897 LT Fri, 28 Oct 2011 20:53:53 +0000 http://organicchurch.ca/?page_id=19#comment-13897 While I do find something concerning things in the first half, it is when this theology is translated in to the church where I find significant points of disagreement. Keep reading Shawn and keep looking to the scriptures. While I do find something concerning things in the first half, it is when this theology is translated in to the church where I find significant points of disagreement. Keep reading Shawn and keep looking to the scriptures.

]]> Comment on Is submission to church leaders necessary for spiritual protection? by LT http://coveringandauthority.com/covering-and-apostolic-authority/difficult-questions-about-covering-and-authority/does-being-submitted-to-church-leaders-provide-me-with-spiritual-protection/comment-page-1/#comment-13896 LT Fri, 28 Oct 2011 20:51:08 +0000 http://coveringandauthority.com/?page_id=88#comment-13896 Hi Trina I tried emailing you, but it doesn't like the address is valid. Send me an email at LT@coveringandauthority.com Hi Trina

I tried emailing you, but it doesn’t like the address is valid. Send me an email at LT@coveringandauthority.com

]]> Comment on Mat 20:20-28 by Shawn http://coveringandauthority.com/covering-and-apostolic-authority/scriptures-downplayed-or-ignored-in-covering-theology/mat-2020-28/comment-page-1/#comment-13884 Shawn Thu, 27 Oct 2011 19:53:07 +0000 http://organicchurch.ca/?page_id=19#comment-13884 Hey I just started Under Cover at my church. Just finished the first section and generally I'm in complete agreement with what was said. But even so I thought I'd search around for some counter info. I like your page because it is very balanced and you don't launch personal attacks against some of these leaders who teach this doctrine but you give a much more balanced view on the topic. Great site and keep up the good work. Hey I just started Under Cover at my church. Just finished the first section and generally I’m in complete agreement with what was said. But even so I thought I’d search around for some counter info. I like your page because it is very balanced and you don’t launch personal attacks against some of these leaders who teach this doctrine but you give a much more balanced view on the topic. Great site and keep up the good work.

]]> Comment on Are church leaders appointed by people or God? by Pastor Joe Suozzo http://coveringandauthority.com/covering-and-apostolic-authority/difficult-questions-about-covering-and-authority/are-all-church-leaders-appointed-by-god/comment-page-1/#comment-13875 Pastor Joe Suozzo Wed, 26 Oct 2011 16:49:42 +0000 http://coveringandauthority.com/?page_id=47#comment-13875 I want to talk about this very difficult and misunderstood word submission. The Bible’s call to submission has unfortunately in American culture received a bad rap. Our media parades self reliance and rebellion and self will as more noble than humility. And the reason that humility and submission are so easily discarded is because of pride and self sufficiency and sometimes past hurts which have come from those who have misused their position and authority. If we want to understand humility and this word submission, we must understand theologically the nature of God. The Bible teaches that God is three persons in one, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. It also teaches that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are One, indivisible and absolutely equal in essence. It is a great mystery but shows us several things about God. One the Godhead, the Holy Trinity shows us that within God Himself there is loving community. The Father has loved the Son and the Son has loved the Holy Spirit and Father from all eternity. There has never been conflict in the Godhead, there has never been division, and there has never been disunity. Scripture teaches us that God is perfect in love and when we want to understand love we look to God first. Secondly, when we look at the Godhead we not only see love but we also see government within God Himself. The Father so loved the world that He sent His Only begotten Son and after Jesus ascended to heaven the Father and Son sent the Holy Spirit into the world. When we read the gospels we find many statements by Jesus of His complete submission to the Father. When going to the cross Jesus prayed to the Father, “Let this cup pass from me, but not my will, but your will be done.” While Jesus said on the one hand that the “Father and I are one,” he also said that “the Father is greater than I.” Jesus also said during his ministry on earth “I am not here on my own” and “I am not seeking glory for myself.” (John 7:28; 8:50) This is great mystery to us that there is rank and authority and delineation of roles within the Godhead. But as we mediate on the person of God, it is there that we first discover humility and perfect love. Jesus always submitted himself to the Father and always humbled himself, faithfully following the mission the Father gave Him here on earth, which ultimately led to a bloody cross that you and I may be forgiven and be reconciled to God. Why is all this so important for us to understand humility and this nasty word submission? God places each of us in humbling circumstances. Whether we recognize it or not we are dependent first on God for everything and ultimately He invites us to humble ourselves and trust Him first and then trust Him in the human relationships He surrounds us with. In every arena of life you will find government and rank that have been instituted by God. Within the marriage we find it. God commands the man to be submitted first to Christ and to love his wife as Christ loves the church. If men would just follow this command by God to love their wives like Jesus, most marriages would improve instantaneously. The wife then is invited to submit herself to the husband, trusting not that her husband will do everything perfectly, but trusting in God, who gave the command. Are men and woman equal? Absolutely! But just like there is equality within the Godhead, government and rank are also there to fulfill God’s purposes that He has laid out for His own glory before the dawn of time. We see this in the family as God designed it to be. And this design cannot be followed unless both the husband and wife humble themselves first to God and then to one another. Another arena God has put us in is the church. The church is first under Lordship of Christ, He is the head. But then God establishes government in the church and appoints pastors, teachers, evangelists, elders and deacons to lead the church towards maturity in Christ. Is this about power? No! Is this primarily about authority? No again! This is about God’s design and He orders it this way that we may learn humility, learn to serve one another and bring glory to God. Just because a husband has failed in loving his wife like Christ loves the church or a church leader has failed you personally does not negate God’s design where we can learn love, humility and ultimately trust Him more. Rank and delineation of authority is all around us. We find it in businesses, in national governments, and other organizations. These are arenas that God puts people together that we may learn to sacrificial love each other and learn humility just as Christ gave us an example. In the context of Paul's reminder of how the church is governed in Ephesians 4 we read this, "I... urge you to walk in a manner worthy of the calling to which you have been called, with all humility and gentleness, with patience bearing with one another in love, eager to maintain the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace." In Christ, Pastor Joe Suozzo Howell, NJ I want to talk about this very difficult and misunderstood word submission. The Bible’s call to submission has unfortunately in American culture received a bad rap. Our media parades self reliance and rebellion and self will as more noble than humility. And the reason that humility and submission are so easily discarded is because of pride and self sufficiency and sometimes past hurts which have come from those who have misused their position and authority.

If we want to understand humility and this word submission, we must understand theologically the nature of God. The Bible teaches that God is three persons in one, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. It also teaches that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are One, indivisible and absolutely equal in essence. It is a great mystery but shows us several things about God.

One the Godhead, the Holy Trinity shows us that within God Himself there is loving community. The Father has loved the Son and the Son has loved the Holy Spirit and Father from all eternity. There has never been conflict in the Godhead, there has never been division, and there has never been disunity. Scripture teaches us that God is perfect in love and when we want to understand love we look to God first.

Secondly, when we look at the Godhead we not only see love but we also see government within God Himself. The Father so loved the world that He sent His Only begotten Son and after Jesus ascended to heaven the Father and Son sent the Holy Spirit into the world. When we read the gospels we find many statements by Jesus of His complete submission to the Father.

When going to the cross Jesus prayed to the Father, “Let this cup pass from me, but not my will, but your will be done.” While Jesus said on the one hand that the “Father and I are one,” he also said that “the Father is greater than I.” Jesus also said during his ministry on earth “I am not here on my own” and “I am not seeking glory for myself.” (John 7:28; 8:50)

This is great mystery to us that there is rank and authority and delineation of roles within the Godhead. But as we mediate on the person of God, it is there that we first discover humility and perfect love. Jesus always submitted himself to the Father and always humbled himself, faithfully following the mission the Father gave Him here on earth, which ultimately led to a bloody cross that you and I may be forgiven and be reconciled to God.

Why is all this so important for us to understand humility and this nasty word submission? God places each of us in humbling circumstances. Whether we recognize it or not we are dependent first on God for everything and ultimately He invites us to humble ourselves and trust Him first and then trust Him in the human relationships He surrounds us with. In every arena of life you will find government and rank that have been instituted by God.

Within the marriage we find it. God commands the man to be submitted first to Christ and to love his wife as Christ loves the church. If men would just follow this command by God to love their wives like Jesus, most marriages would improve instantaneously. The wife then is invited to submit herself to the husband, trusting not that her husband will do everything perfectly, but trusting in God, who gave the command.

Are men and woman equal? Absolutely! But just like there is equality within the Godhead, government and rank are also there to fulfill God’s purposes that He has laid out for His own glory before the dawn of time. We see this in the family as God designed it to be. And this design cannot be followed unless both the husband and wife humble themselves first to God and then to one another.

Another arena God has put us in is the church. The church is first under Lordship of Christ, He is the head. But then God establishes government in the church and appoints pastors, teachers, evangelists, elders and deacons to lead the church towards maturity in Christ. Is this about power? No! Is this primarily about authority? No again! This is about God’s design and He orders it this way that we may learn humility, learn to serve one another and bring glory to God.

Just because a husband has failed in loving his wife like Christ loves the church or a church leader has failed you personally does not negate God’s design where we can learn love, humility and ultimately trust Him more. Rank and delineation of authority is all around us. We find it in businesses, in national governments, and other organizations. These are arenas that God puts people together that we may learn to sacrificial love each other and learn humility just as Christ gave us an example.

In the context of Paul’s reminder of how the church is governed in Ephesians 4 we read this, “I… urge you to walk in a manner worthy of the calling to which you have been called, with all humility and gentleness, with patience bearing with one another in love, eager to maintain the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.”

In Christ,
Pastor Joe Suozzo
Howell, NJ

]]> Comment on Is submission to church leaders necessary for spiritual protection? by Trina http://coveringandauthority.com/covering-and-apostolic-authority/difficult-questions-about-covering-and-authority/does-being-submitted-to-church-leaders-provide-me-with-spiritual-protection/comment-page-1/#comment-13731 Trina Tue, 11 Oct 2011 16:49:21 +0000 http://coveringandauthority.com/?page_id=88#comment-13731 I decided to leave my church I was apart of for fifteen years.. I belive in the Word of God it is definitely true and has changed my life tremendously, God is an awesome God.. However There was so much spiritual abuse going on in the ministry that I could no longer take it. As I begin to dig deeper in the Word searching God's truth I begin to realize that I was being taught wrong on so many different levels, It was heart wrenching! In this ministry you couldn't question the pastor about what was being taught, If you did you were exiled.. If you didn't tithe or serve you were made to feel guilty or The pastor wouldn't speak to you & treat you totally different from before. Continue giving four times during service, now don't get me wrong I'm all for being a blessing to whoever God places on my heart to give to, however you shouldn't be made to feel bad if you don't. I know the bible says, Charity starts in the home first as well as you paying your debtors so If I neglect to pay my bills & is coherced into giving to the church doesn't that mean I'm robbing God or being disobedient to the law that God speaks about in Deuteronomy. I can go on & on about so many different things, just like the scripture Touch not my anointing & do my prophet no harm, So many pastors speak about that scripture as not putting your mouth on the pastor or you will be cursed, when in actuality this scripture means if I vviolently put my hands on them.. As well as needing a covering and I have to obey the pastor and be apart of a ministry in order to be covered, Well I believe that once I accepted Christ as my Lord and Savior then my covering is the Blood Of Jesus. So much! So Much! That's why I believe 2Timothy 2:15 that we must study to show ourselves approved, so that you can rightfully divide the Word of Truth.. I need God's healing.. I'm Totally broken.. anyone has answers or help me?? I decided to leave my church I was apart of for fifteen years.. I belive in the Word of God it is definitely true and has changed my life tremendously, God is an awesome God.. However There was so much spiritual abuse going on in the ministry that I could no longer take it. As I begin to dig deeper in the Word searching God’s truth I begin to realize that I was being taught wrong on so many different levels, It was heart wrenching! In this ministry you couldn’t question the pastor about what was being taught, If you did you were exiled.. If you didn’t tithe or serve you were made to feel guilty or The pastor wouldn’t speak to you & treat you totally different from before. Continue giving four times during service, now don’t get me wrong I’m all for being a blessing to whoever God places on my heart to give to, however you shouldn’t be made to feel bad if you don’t. I know the bible says, Charity starts in the home first as well as you paying your debtors so If I neglect to pay my bills & is coherced into giving to the church doesn’t that mean I’m robbing God or being disobedient to the law that God speaks about in Deuteronomy. I can go on & on about so many different things, just like the scripture Touch not my anointing & do my prophet no harm, So many pastors speak about that scripture as not putting your mouth on the pastor or you will be cursed, when in actuality this scripture means if I vviolently put my hands on them.. As well as needing a covering and I have to obey the pastor and be apart of a ministry in order to be covered, Well I believe that once I accepted Christ as my Lord and Savior then my covering is the Blood Of Jesus. So much! So Much! That’s why I believe 2Timothy 2:15 that we must study to show ourselves approved, so that you can rightfully divide the Word of Truth.. I need God’s healing.. I’m Totally broken.. anyone has answers or help me??

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