Comments for Covering and Authority http://coveringandauthority.com Thu, 03 May 2012 13:16:31 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 Comment on Does Covering Theology foster biblical accountability? by Vickie Parker http://coveringandauthority.com/covering-and-apostolic-authority/difficult-questions-about-covering-and-authority/strong-hierarchies-undermine-true-accountability/comment-page-1/#comment-15623 Vickie Parker Thu, 03 May 2012 13:16:31 +0000 http://organicchurch.ca/?page_id=15#comment-15623 I found your web site because my son who is a children's worship leader and performed many volunteer positions such as leading VBS, directing children's plays and choir and small group leader for middle school boys. His degree is in education and teaches in public school. He was constantly called to the pastor's office because they felt he was not coming under their authority. I told him God and His Word were his authority. After 2 years of this, I ask to be in one of these meeting. This is when I heard about coming under their "covering". I voiced that I had never heard of such and told them my protection was from God not the fallen man. And where would my protection be if the church leader stumbled. They did not like how I felt and tried to convience me that we needed their covering. They made up stories about parents complaining about my son because the parents would tell me what a great job he did leading their children. They would say they could not protect him from these attack because he would not submit to their authority. He told them God would protect him if he really was under attack. We were holding a small group for middle school boys at my home and had boy from inside and outside the church but kept it affiliated with the church. Then they told us we had to bring it inside the church and no longer do it at my home. I could not believe this. With much prayer we decided to continue at home under our own ministry with the support of some of the parents and local businesses. When we told them this they said he was no longer allow to participate in the church in any way and sent a letter to all the parents saying they were breaking away and from my son and did not approve of his decissions and would not support him and that they should consider doing so, also. This all just happen yesterday 5/2/12. We are going forward with this ministry and have plans to go into the schools in our area. Thank you so much for all this information about "covering" because I am 62 years old and have been a believer for many years but was having a hard time with this and my son was getting close to being influenced by it. He was starting to question the vision God had given him for this ministry and was starting to wonder about a "covering". Thank you! I found your web site because my son who is a children’s worship leader and performed many volunteer positions such as leading VBS, directing children’s plays and choir and small group leader for middle school boys. His degree is in education and teaches in public school.
He was constantly called to the pastor’s office because they felt he was not coming under their authority. I told him God and His Word were his authority. After 2 years of this, I ask to be in one of these meeting. This is when I heard about coming under their “covering”. I voiced that I had never heard of such and told them my protection was from God not the fallen man. And where would my protection be if the church leader stumbled. They did not like how I felt and tried to convience me that we needed their covering. They made up stories about parents complaining about my son because the parents would tell me what a great job he did leading their children. They would say they could not protect him from these attack because he would not submit to their authority. He told them God would protect him if he really was under attack.
We were holding a small group for middle school boys at my home and had boy from inside and outside the church but kept it affiliated with the church. Then they told us we had to bring it inside the church and no longer do it at my home. I could not believe this. With much prayer we decided to continue at home under our own ministry with the support of some of the parents and local businesses. When we told them this they said he was no longer allow to participate in the church in any way and sent a letter to all the parents saying they were breaking away and from my son and did not approve of his decissions and would not support him and that they should consider doing so, also.
This all just happen yesterday 5/2/12. We are going forward with this ministry and have plans to go into the schools in our area.
Thank you so much for all this information about “covering” because I am 62 years old and have been a believer for many years but was having a hard time with this and my son was getting close to being influenced by it. He was starting to question the vision God had given him for this ministry and was starting to wonder about a “covering”. Thank you!

]]> Comment on Romans 13: 1-7 by Joey Carangan http://coveringandauthority.com/covering-and-apostolic-authority/scriptures-used-in-covering-theology/romans-13-1-7/comment-page-1/#comment-15546 Joey Carangan Wed, 11 Apr 2012 19:02:05 +0000 http://organicchurch.ca/?page_id=10#comment-15546 Praise God for Saints like yourself who would rather clarify the word of God based on context and application not emotion. It is very difficult to be in a leadership position when the Ordained has replaced the good news of Jesusyou Christ with this theology. I will continue to pray for you and your ministry in the name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Amen! Praise God for Saints like yourself who would rather clarify the word of God based on context and application not emotion. It is very difficult to be in a leadership position when the Ordained has replaced the good news of Jesusyou Christ with this theology. I will continue to pray for you and your ministry in the name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Amen!

]]> Comment on Should I stay submitted to an authority that mistreats me? by Joey Carangan http://coveringandauthority.com/covering-and-apostolic-authority/difficult-questions-about-covering-and-authority/suffering-under-authority/comment-page-1/#comment-15545 Joey Carangan Wed, 11 Apr 2012 18:43:56 +0000 http://coveringandauthority.com/?page_id=38#comment-15545 I just want to say thank you and God Bless you in your Obedience to clarify "covering". It grieves my Spirit when we as Christians make it more complicated than it should be. We are Saved by Grace Through Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ who was Blessed with ALL Authority in the heavens and on earth by Our Heavenly Father. Praise God! The Father, Son and Holy Spirit! Amen. I just want to say thank you and God Bless you in your Obedience to clarify “covering”. It grieves my Spirit when we as Christians make it more complicated than it should be. We are Saved by Grace Through Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ who was Blessed with ALL Authority in the heavens and on earth by Our Heavenly Father. Praise God! The Father, Son and Holy Spirit! Amen.

]]> Comment on Is submission to church leaders necessary for spiritual protection? by Femi Olowo http://coveringandauthority.com/covering-and-apostolic-authority/difficult-questions-about-covering-and-authority/does-being-submitted-to-church-leaders-provide-me-with-spiritual-protection/comment-page-1/#comment-15481 Femi Olowo Sat, 31 Mar 2012 15:50:05 +0000 http://coveringandauthority.com/?page_id=88#comment-15481 To John H., I believe "3982 peitho" embodies all the following: to be convinced, to be persuaded, to win over, to trust, to obey. Therefore Heb 13:17 can be said to mean 'to obey your leaders because you trust them and are convinced of their integrity..." But I do not believe it should translated as 'having confidence' instead of 'obey'. It should include both concepts. Perhaps it is in the same way that children obey parents because they trust them. If your church is a "safe" church, then your heart should be able to trust safely in your pastors. But if your pastors are manipulative, controlling or lacking in intergity, well... To John H., I believe “3982 peitho” embodies all the following: to be convinced, to be persuaded, to win over, to trust, to obey. Therefore Heb 13:17 can be said to mean ‘to obey your leaders because you trust them and are convinced of their integrity…” But I do not believe it should translated as ‘having confidence’ instead of ‘obey’. It should include both concepts. Perhaps it is in the same way that children obey parents because they trust them. If your church is a “safe” church, then your heart should be able to trust safely in your pastors. But if your pastors are manipulative, controlling or lacking in intergity, well…

]]> Comment on Other important scriptures about submission and authority by LT http://coveringandauthority.com/covering-and-apostolic-authority/scriptures-downplayed-or-ignored-in-covering-theology/comment-page-1/#comment-15401 LT Sun, 18 Mar 2012 15:52:51 +0000 http://coveringandauthority.com/?page_id=52#comment-15401 I believe the leaders of an organization have every right to set the dress code for those who are playing a public role in their events. I believe the leaders of an organization have every right to set the dress code for those who are playing a public role in their events.

]]> Comment on Other important scriptures about submission and authority by Jay Dawn http://coveringandauthority.com/covering-and-apostolic-authority/scriptures-downplayed-or-ignored-in-covering-theology/comment-page-1/#comment-15397 Jay Dawn Sun, 18 Mar 2012 05:31:31 +0000 http://coveringandauthority.com/?page_id=52#comment-15397 Are you saying that if a pastor set a rule that the ladies on the Praise and Worship Team should wear skirt and dress because some are wearing their pants too tight, is it ok for members of the team to go against that because the bible did not directly address that.....looking forward to hear your response. Are you saying that if a pastor set a rule that the ladies on the Praise and Worship Team should wear skirt and dress because some are wearing their pants too tight, is it ok for members of the team to go against that because the bible did not directly address that…..looking forward to hear your response.

]]> Comment on Is submission to church leaders necessary for spiritual protection? by johnny http://coveringandauthority.com/covering-and-apostolic-authority/difficult-questions-about-covering-and-authority/does-being-submitted-to-church-leaders-provide-me-with-spiritual-protection/comment-page-1/#comment-15386 johnny Fri, 16 Mar 2012 20:07:57 +0000 http://coveringandauthority.com/?page_id=88#comment-15386 god bless i really believe that submision is something someone does willingly not by force or by manipulation by another person, true sheep know there PASTOR wich is JESUS CHRIST if someone is speaking and JESUS IS SPEAKING THROUGH THEM TRUE SHEEP WILL KNOW HIS VOICE I MEAN WHO CAN WITHSTAND HIS LOVE, HIS LOVE WILL ALWAYS BREAK US DOWN EVEN WHEN HES DISCIPLING US OR CORRECTING US,MY PRAYERS GO OUT TO THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN ABUSED BY CHURCH AUTHORITIES,JESUS CHRIST IS THE HEAD OF THE CHURCH THE CHURCH IS HIS WIFE AND IF SOMEONE IS MISTREATING HIS WIFE THATS CALLED IN LEGAL WORDS SPOUSE ABUSE,IT SADDENS ME AND ANGERS ME AT THE SAME TIME I WOULD HATE SOMEONE TO MISTREAT MY WIFE AND MY TWO PRETTY DAUGHTERS I DONT KNOW WHAT I MIGHT DO YEAH I KNOW WHAT I WOULD DO, GOD BLESS AND TRUST JESUS CHRIST HE IS OUR TRUE COVERING god bless i really believe that submision is something someone does willingly not by force or by manipulation by another person, true sheep know there PASTOR wich is JESUS CHRIST if someone is speaking and JESUS IS SPEAKING THROUGH THEM TRUE SHEEP WILL KNOW HIS VOICE I MEAN WHO CAN WITHSTAND HIS LOVE, HIS LOVE WILL ALWAYS BREAK US DOWN EVEN WHEN HES DISCIPLING US OR CORRECTING US,MY PRAYERS GO OUT TO THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN ABUSED BY CHURCH AUTHORITIES,JESUS CHRIST IS THE HEAD OF THE CHURCH THE CHURCH IS HIS WIFE AND IF SOMEONE IS MISTREATING HIS WIFE THATS CALLED IN LEGAL WORDS SPOUSE ABUSE,IT SADDENS ME AND ANGERS ME AT THE SAME TIME I WOULD HATE SOMEONE TO MISTREAT MY WIFE AND MY TWO PRETTY DAUGHTERS I DONT KNOW WHAT I MIGHT DO YEAH I KNOW WHAT I WOULD DO, GOD BLESS AND TRUST JESUS CHRIST HE IS OUR TRUE COVERING

]]> Comment on New Dissertation on Covering by Allan Clare by Allan Clare http://coveringandauthority.com/2012/02/new-dissertation-on-covering-by-allan-clare/comment-page-1/#comment-15363 Allan Clare Wed, 14 Mar 2012 12:57:18 +0000 http://coveringandauthority.com/?p=604#comment-15363 Many thanks for the link, Leighton! If anyone wants to correspond with me, feel free to email: allanclare@gmail.com Allan Clare. Many thanks for the link, Leighton!

If anyone wants to correspond with me, feel free to email: allanclare@gmail.com

Allan Clare.

]]> Comment on Difficult questions about Covering and Authority by gretchen http://coveringandauthority.com/covering-and-apostolic-authority/difficult-questions-about-covering-and-authority/comment-page-1/#comment-15349 gretchen Mon, 12 Mar 2012 22:29:46 +0000 http://coveringandauthority.com/?page_id=64#comment-15349 Seeking information about the "covering". Searching for a new church home Seeking information about the “covering”. Searching for a new church home

]]> Comment on Hebrews 17:13 in context by JR http://coveringandauthority.com/2011/12/understanding-hebrews-1713-in-context/comment-page-1/#comment-15338 JR Sun, 11 Mar 2012 04:11:18 +0000 http://coveringandauthority.com/2011/12/understanding-hebrews-1713-in-context/#comment-15338 I really liked your analogy of the doctor and the nurse in the hospital. I really liked your analogy of the doctor and the nurse in the hospital.

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