Published by LT on 07 Nov 2008 at 04:19 am
Heb 13:17
Heb 13:17 Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they keep watch over your souls and will give an account for their work. Let them do this with joy and not with complaints, for this would be no advantage for you.
This passage of scripture is the strongest evidence the proponents of covering theology have. It clearly instructs people to obey leaders and to submit to them. The author of Hebrews gives three good reasons for doing this.
On the face of things it does appear to be rock solid passage in support of authoritarian theology. However if we look a little deeper at translation and interpretation we see this verse is much more compatible with the "mutual submission" camp.
Understanding Hebrews 13:17 begins with understanding the whole book
It is really important that we understand this verse in the larger context of the book of Hebrews. I’ve written a much more extensive study of the book of Hebrews to get a more complete picture of what the author might be getting at in this passage.
The NIV inserts a word here that doesn’t exist in the original Greek text
The NIV renders the passages this way "Obey your leaders and submit to their authority. They keep watch over you as men who must give an account. Obey them so that their work will be a joy, not a burden, for that would be of no advantage to you. " The extra word here is authority. The greek word we translate authority is exousia and it isn’t present in the text. This is why so many other translations don’t have it.
"Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they keep watch over your souls as those who will give an account." NASB
"Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they are keeping watch over your souls and will give an account." NRSV
"Obey your spiritual leaders and do what they say. Their work is to watch over your souls, and they know they are accountable to God." NLT
"Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they are keeping watch over your souls, as those who will have to give an account." ESV
"Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they keep watch over your souls as those who will give an account, " HCSB
"Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they keep watch over your souls and will give an account for their work." NET
The Greek word translated obey is Peitho which usually means persuade
Peitho is the goddess of persuasion. That doesn’t necessarily mean the word should be translated persuade. The way the word is used in the sentence it can be very legitimately translated obey which is why most bibles do. The TNIV is a notable exception. However the word still carries the nuance of obedience via persuasion rather that obedience to authority. Jason Dulle does an indepth examination of how this word is translated.
Ray C. Stedman wrote the following in his commentary on Hebrews:
Several things should be noted about Hebrews 13:17 and 1Thess 5:12. The word "obey" comes from the Greek peitho, "to persuade." The present imperative middle form, used here, means "permit oneself to be persuaded," "yield to persuasion." It definitely does not mean to blindly follow orders. The phrase those who are over you in the Lord should simply be "your leaders in the Lord." There is no thought of being "over" anyone, or others being "under" a leader. The authority of a Christian leader is not command authority but servant leadership. A servant has authority, as Jesus said he had, because he awakens by his loving service a desire to comply. Or he is persuasive because of his logic or knowledge.
The reference to leaders (plural) in a letter to Hebrews strongly suggests that the people still follow the traditional Jewish concept of leadership. In Hebrew culture the leaders were normally elders that met as a council. While there were likely hierarchies of influence the forms of positional hierarchy that we and the governing Romans employed would have been foreign to them (Ellingworth 723).
Timothy Willis, Ph.D. in Near Eastern Languages offers the following:
Another good indication that Christian elders possess traditional (not legal-rational) authority comes from Heb 13:17. Careful consideration of the author’s reference to "leaders" in this verse, as well as earlier in the chapter (v.7), reveals a mind-set about authority in the church which is patently traditional in nature. Admittedly, the author does not specify the "leaders" as being "elders" in this passage, and they probably are not the only individuals intended here; but elders must have been part of this group called "leaders." Surely we are not to assume that the author intends to include all Christian "leaders" except elders in his remarks.
Willis contrasts the "traditional authority" of the Hebrews with the "legal-rational" authority of the Romans. He argues that the translators have read a little too much Western Civilization on to the text (Willis 320). He also argues that Peitho should be rendered "Be persuaded."
The rest of the passage points us to towards persuasion rather than authority. Respect for authority is not cited as a reason to obey the leaders. There are only four reasons mentioned:
- The leaders keep watch over you
- They must given an account
- Let them do it with joy
- There would be no advantage in not yielding to them
Notice there are no warnings of imminent spiritual danger or doom at the hands of the spiritual forces of darkness. The Hebrews here are not warned that they face shipwreck or disaster if they don’t submit. If they don’t it is of no advantage. If we really were in stark spiritual danger wouldn’t the author of Hebrews warned us in this passage.
There is a clear instruction to obey leadership but that obedience stems from persuasion, not authority and the leadership in this context is not a hierarchy. They key difference between obedience to authority and obedience to persuasion is that the person doing the obeying still has the right and the obligation to be discerning.
Ellingworth, Paul. The Epistle to the Hebrews. Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1993.
Stedman, Ray C. The IVP New Testament Commentary Series: Hebrews. Downers Grove: Intervarsity Press, 1992.
Willis, Timothy. Restoration Quarterly.
thrufaithalone on 23 Dec 2009 at 9:04 am #
I really appreciate the “key difference between obedience to authority and obedience to persuasion is that the person doing the obeying still has the right and the obligation to be discerning.” Thank you!
Eric Padilla on 17 Feb 2010 at 6:04 pm #
I just started to read your article and it challenged me to understand covering and for this I “thank you”
One questions I have is that you did not refer to the KJV, why?
Heb 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.
Obey is also translated (Strong): to rely (by inward certainty): – agree, assure, believe, have confidence, be (wax) content, make friend, obey, persuade, trust, yield.
We are to “trust” “yield” ‘believe” and “have confidence” with those who “rule over us”
Rule: he?geomai
Thayer Definition:
to lead, to be a leader, to rule, command, to have authority over, leading as respects influence, overseers or leaders of the churches
Summit hupeiko?
to yield to surrender: – submit self.
We have to summit ourselves to God first and to the Leadership God has placed in the church.
It is out of balance that some church rule with an iron hand and treat people like they own them, NOT GOD plan.
Again, thank you for your article, it helped me very much.
Mark on 11 Jul 2010 at 9:21 pm #
I came across this post doing a google search to find info on the greek word for “leader” in Hebrews 13. Your post, although not exactly matching my search, gave the information I desired, as I really was after info on “obey”. Your post was most helpful.
Mark
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JDA on 22 Aug 2011 at 4:51 pm #
This was very helpful thank you.
Question
What do you do when you feel like the pride of the leader will affect the whole congregation and u feel like there is no way to approach him about it. There is no elders in the church to talk to and everyone is almost a babe and the mature ones are brand new to the ministry. So when you go to the pastor’s apostle and tell him how you feel and your need for counsil, he freaks out because of the fact your out of order bring accusation against a elder when you were not trying to gossip or Bring accusation. Just bringing your feelings and concerns and asking for wisdom?
What is the proper way to get counsel on this? Take this as thereticle not as happening as fact thanks
John H on 04 Nov 2011 at 4:08 pm #
Pretty good article.
“… the person doing the obeying still has the right and the obligation to be discerning.”
Absolutely!
Bertie Boy on 30 Nov 2011 at 1:50 am #
I was specifically looking up commentary on Heb 13:17. Your commentary was quite helpful, but seemed to lack appreciation to the period and context in which it (and v. 7; and 1Thes 5:12-13) were written. There was no New Testemant text at that time, and certainly not the compilation we have today. This message would apply to those leaders specifically known by the author(s) and would not universally apply to all leaders in the church for all times, as there were many gnostic, and other perverse teachings.
Yeilding to the will of God through Jesus Christ is the most important yeilding one should consider. This yeilding to Christ brings with it the Holy Ghost of whom John said, “But ythe annointing which ye have recieved of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same annointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.” 1John 2:27
Paul agreed with this and wrote to the Corinthians, “But as it is written {Isiah 64:4}, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared tor them that love him. But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Which things also we speak not in the words which man’s wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them because they are spiritually descerned. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, ye he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord , that he may in struct him? But we have the mind of Christ.” 1Cor 2:9-16
CHONA on 01 Mar 2012 at 2:39 am #
Thank you Lord, I’m free now for the leader claiming that in submission to him there is annoiting..
1john 2:27