Comments on: Romans 13: 1-7 http://coveringandauthority.com Fri, 18 May 2012 16:57:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Joey Carangan http://coveringandauthority.com/covering-and-apostolic-authority/scriptures-used-in-covering-theology/romans-13-1-7/comment-page-1/#comment-15546 Joey Carangan Wed, 11 Apr 2012 19:02:05 +0000 http://organicchurch.ca/?page_id=10#comment-15546 Praise God for Saints like yourself who would rather clarify the word of God based on context and application not emotion. It is very difficult to be in a leadership position when the Ordained has replaced the good news of Jesusyou Christ with this theology. I will continue to pray for you and your ministry in the name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Amen! Praise God for Saints like yourself who would rather clarify the word of God based on context and application not emotion. It is very difficult to be in a leadership position when the Ordained has replaced the good news of Jesusyou Christ with this theology. I will continue to pray for you and your ministry in the name of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Amen!

]]> By: Bill http://coveringandauthority.com/covering-and-apostolic-authority/scriptures-used-in-covering-theology/romans-13-1-7/comment-page-1/#comment-15048 Bill Wed, 25 Jan 2012 20:06:52 +0000 http://organicchurch.ca/?page_id=10#comment-15048 Does God appoint or give us governments to bless us or correct us ? Does our voteing count or does god really appoint our leaders Does God appoint or give us governments to bless us or correct us ? Does our voteing count or does god really appoint our leaders

]]> By: Jason http://coveringandauthority.com/covering-and-apostolic-authority/scriptures-used-in-covering-theology/romans-13-1-7/comment-page-1/#comment-14337 Jason Fri, 25 Nov 2011 08:26:55 +0000 http://organicchurch.ca/?page_id=10#comment-14337 Thanks, I think The church (you and I) need to be set free from this wicked doctrine of human covering, God alone is our covering! All I can see that this doctrine leads to is control, manipulation, bondage & most seriously - aborted spiritual growth as these leaders don't believe that we can hear from God for ourselves, but have to submit everything through them to judge if it is from God or not. A 2 year old that has the truth has more authority than a Pastor of 10000 who preaches rubbish. I believe that truth holds real authority and lying church leaders we do not have to submit to and Paul would have told us to leave and have nothing to do with them anyway. No i do not have a issue with government authority, but pray for the wicked ones to get saved or God to put the right person there (Hosea 8). God wanted Samuel to rule but the people (not God) wanted a king like the other nations. The authority is put there by God, but the person in place is not always put there by God. Hope this helped, God Bless! Thanks, I think The church (you and I) need to be set free from this wicked doctrine of human covering, God alone is our covering! All I can see that this doctrine leads to is control, manipulation, bondage & most seriously – aborted spiritual growth as these leaders don’t believe that we can hear from God for ourselves, but have to submit everything through them to judge if it is from God or not. A 2 year old that has the truth has more authority than a Pastor of 10000 who preaches rubbish. I believe that truth holds real authority and lying church leaders we do not have to submit to and Paul would have told us to leave and have nothing to do with them anyway.

No i do not have a issue with government authority, but pray for the wicked ones to get saved or God to put the right person there (Hosea 8). God wanted Samuel to rule but the people (not God) wanted a king like the other nations. The authority is put there by God, but the person in place is not always put there by God.

Hope this helped, God Bless!

]]> By: Nic http://coveringandauthority.com/covering-and-apostolic-authority/scriptures-used-in-covering-theology/romans-13-1-7/comment-page-1/#comment-13708 Nic Sun, 09 Oct 2011 06:26:02 +0000 http://organicchurch.ca/?page_id=10#comment-13708 The original greek word that we have equated in to power or authority in our english translations is exousia. It is one of 7 words in the greek language for power. Exousia is the word most often used in the greek language for "liberty" and is even trasnlated in the bible as liberty. I wonder if this pastor has been breifed on this scripture by the holy spirit or mammon..... The original greek word that we have equated in to power or authority in our english translations is exousia.

It is one of 7 words in the greek language for power.

Exousia is the word most often used in the greek language for “liberty” and is even trasnlated in the bible as liberty.

I wonder if this pastor has been breifed on this scripture by the holy spirit or mammon…..

]]> By: Lyall http://coveringandauthority.com/covering-and-apostolic-authority/scriptures-used-in-covering-theology/romans-13-1-7/comment-page-1/#comment-13227 Lyall Thu, 18 Aug 2011 01:19:11 +0000 http://organicchurch.ca/?page_id=10#comment-13227 After reading some of Bevere’s writings on authority ie. what he refers to as authority, I can see that he is ‘colouring outside of the lines’, producing some erroneous & dangerous teachings. He is confusing ‘authority’ with ‘power’; however making this statement does cause a problem to some degree as different dictionaries have different definitions for ‘authority’ & ‘power’, & some dictionaries tend to equate these two words to some degree. Authority (true authority) comes from God, whereas man can produce & exhibit power, for example, by force (eg. physical force), threat (eg. at the point of a gun), coercion, deception (where people confuse man’s power for authority ordained by God) etc. In Romans 13, with regards to authority, Paul is not referring to someone in the church such as the pastor (or head deacon etc.), someone in the family such as the husband etc., or someone in the workplace such as a boss or the owner of workplace, but Paul is referring to those people with ruling authority from God ie. specific people who (ad)minister God’s laws over the people/general-population. Leighton, you stated, “1) Paul is clearly referring to the government”, and “2) God instituted government, but that doesn’t mean we should always follow it”. Can you please be specific on what YOU mean by ‘government’. Let me explain the reason for my question. You stated, “Paul is clearly referring to the government not the church, family or workplace”. You use the word ‘church’ where I would use the words “someone in the church such as the pastor (or head deacon etc.)” After reading some of Bevere’s writings on authority ie. what he refers to as authority, I can see that he is ‘colouring outside of the lines’, producing some erroneous & dangerous teachings.
He is confusing ‘authority’ with ‘power’; however making this statement does cause a problem to some degree as different dictionaries have different definitions for ‘authority’ & ‘power’, & some dictionaries tend to equate these two words to some degree.
Authority (true authority) comes from God, whereas man can produce & exhibit power, for example, by force (eg. physical force), threat (eg. at the point of a gun), coercion, deception (where people confuse man’s power for authority ordained by God) etc.
In Romans 13, with regards to authority, Paul is not referring to someone in the church such as the pastor (or head deacon etc.), someone in the family such as the husband etc., or someone in the workplace such as a boss or the owner of workplace, but Paul is referring to those people with ruling authority from God ie. specific people who (ad)minister God’s laws over the people/general-population.

Leighton, you stated, “1) Paul is clearly referring to the government”, and “2) God instituted government, but that doesn’t mean we should always follow it”.
Can you please be specific on what YOU mean by ‘government’.
Let me explain the reason for my question. You stated, “Paul is clearly referring to the government not the church, family or workplace”. You use the word ‘church’ where I would use the words “someone in the church such as the pastor (or head deacon etc.)”

]]> By: John D'Cruz http://coveringandauthority.com/covering-and-apostolic-authority/scriptures-used-in-covering-theology/romans-13-1-7/comment-page-1/#comment-13096 John D'Cruz Sat, 30 Jul 2011 05:31:23 +0000 http://organicchurch.ca/?page_id=10#comment-13096 You have been answering all the questions I have been having and have been disturbed about for a long time. The body is in great need of the biblical truth concering this subject in this hour.Thank you very much. You have been answering all the questions I have been having and have been disturbed about for a long time. The body is in great need of the biblical truth concering this subject in this hour.Thank you very much.

]]> By: Sarah of the Collage http://coveringandauthority.com/covering-and-apostolic-authority/scriptures-used-in-covering-theology/romans-13-1-7/comment-page-1/#comment-12789 Sarah of the Collage Tue, 21 Jun 2011 11:39:43 +0000 http://organicchurch.ca/?page_id=10#comment-12789 Thank you so very much for explaining what Romans 13 DOES NOT mean. I will be referencing you in my upcoming piece on "Touch not the Lord's anointed". You have been of immense help. Cheers Sarah of the Collage Thank you so very much for explaining what Romans 13 DOES NOT mean. I will be referencing you in my upcoming piece on “Touch not the Lord’s anointed”. You have been of immense help.

Cheers

Sarah of the Collage

]]> By: LT http://coveringandauthority.com/covering-and-apostolic-authority/scriptures-used-in-covering-theology/romans-13-1-7/comment-page-1/#comment-8433 LT Sat, 05 Feb 2011 02:09:37 +0000 http://organicchurch.ca/?page_id=10#comment-8433 Charles, I'm not sure if I understand what you are saying. My quick response might be. All authority has been given to Jesus and he instructed us to be servants, not to use our authority over others. The bible doesn't teach us that we are covered by human authority. There is biblical leadership described in the bible but the style and approach of leadership doesn't fit with covering teaching. Charles, I’m not sure if I understand what you are saying. My quick response might be.

All authority has been given to Jesus and he instructed us to be servants, not to use our authority over others. The bible doesn’t teach us that we are covered by human authority.

There is biblical leadership described in the bible but the style and approach of leadership doesn’t fit with covering teaching.

]]> By: Charles Wiliams http://coveringandauthority.com/covering-and-apostolic-authority/scriptures-used-in-covering-theology/romans-13-1-7/comment-page-1/#comment-8420 Charles Wiliams Thu, 03 Feb 2011 22:49:43 +0000 http://organicchurch.ca/?page_id=10#comment-8420 My queston for, why do question Gods word, as I look many church big and small, Christ will have somthing against them all. The point I want to make is that, what is wrong with a covering, yes God is our authority and covering, is there not a high arch in heaven or is everything just running rampid, God is a God of order and not disorder, God want us to trus and obey. If you are in a curch, then what and who is your converin? If you are not in a Church them who and what is your covering? Allow me to say this some people do not beliveing going to church bcause they say they are the Chuch! however it is the Word of God and faith the Jesus say he will build His church and the gates of hades will not provail. just my thoughts. My queston for, why do question Gods word, as I look many church big and small, Christ will have somthing against them all. The point I want to make is that, what is wrong with a covering, yes God is our authority and covering, is there not a high arch in heaven or is everything just running rampid, God is a God of order and not disorder, God want us to trus and obey. If you are in a curch, then what and who is your converin? If you are not in a Church them who and what is your covering? Allow me to say this some people do not beliveing going to church bcause they say they are the Chuch! however it is the Word of God and faith the Jesus say he will build His church and the gates of hades will not provail.
just my thoughts.

]]> By: Steve http://coveringandauthority.com/covering-and-apostolic-authority/scriptures-used-in-covering-theology/romans-13-1-7/comment-page-1/#comment-4192 Steve Sat, 19 Jun 2010 04:17:38 +0000 http://organicchurch.ca/?page_id=10#comment-4192 Good point LT. Perhaps a balanced view to be considered. http://www.gty.org/Resources/Sermons/80-162_Obeying-Civil-Authorities Good point LT.

Perhaps a balanced view to be considered.

http://www.gty.org/Resources/Sermons/80-162_Obeying-Civil-Authorities

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